Last week some mighty nice folks and long-time clients called me in to help them with a failed hard drive on their HP Media Center 8530i.
I planned to spend a couple of hours installing the new hard drive, reloading Windows and all drivers and then be on my way.
The old joke goes — Want to make G-d laugh? Tell Him your plans.
What SHOULD have been a two hour walk in the park executing a task I’ve done a hundred times before turned into the technical support experience from hell consuming six hours of my time spanning the course of a week.
First we’ll start with getting to the old hard drive and removing it.
I got to the old drive – but removing it would’ve involved a pair of welder’s goggles and a blow torch. HP placed that hard drive in the most inaccessible place imaginable. OK. The drive stays. I removed the optional device cage and put the new drive there instead.
(Note — the old drive was a Seagate Barracuda 750GB drive. The drive I was installing was the 1 TB version of the same drive. This piece of trivia will prove very entertaining later.)
OK new drive installed we reboot. Excellent. The HP BIOS recognizes the drive. Excellent! It’ll be child’s play to install Windows Vista home premium on this HP Media Center desktop, reinstall the drivers and be on my way….
… or so I thought.
Windows installer doesn’t see the Seagate drive. But the BIOS does. Odd.
Googling around to different forum posts and articles tells me that many other people have hit the same brick wall I have. They never did find the answer. But I did. Read on.
(Side note — this reminds me of the Norton 360 backup/restore option I encountered some months back. Nobody – not even Symantec technical support- could solve the problem. As you will soon learn, HP tech support proved useless too.)
Enter Howard – King of All Geeks.
Just to make sure there couldn’t be any sort of hardware issue I swapped out the 1TB Seagate Barracuda for its little brother – a 250GB Sata-1 drive. No difference. BIOS sees it. Window installer doesn’t.
Scratching my head I swap the SATA cables in desperation. It made no difference but it had to be tried. Why? In the immortal words of Bill Cosby – “When you’re desperate, you give the ridiculous a try.”
After an hour of research I concluded there was some sort of driver issue preventing the Windows Vista installer from seeing the new Barracuda 1TB drive. Conclusion? We’ll need the official HP recovery discs to reinstall Windows Vista.
The CDs ordered we have only to wait.
Today I returned to the client’s location and booted from disc 1 of the HP recovery disc set. What do I get? An error 1012. The HP recovery CDs gave me an error 1012. What is an error 1012? I do not know but I was told to contact HP technical support if the problem persisted.
It did. So I did.
Below is the actual chat transcript. I urge everyone to read every single line carefully. VERY carefully.
Howard Sherman : Getting error 1012 when trying to run recovery. Cannot update firmware because this is a new hard drive with no OS on it.
[An agent will be with you shortly.]
[You are now chatting with Samantha .]
Samantha : Welcome to HP Total Care for Desktop Support. My name is Samantha. I will be your technical support specialist today. Please allow me a few moments while I read your issue description details.
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Howard Sherman : And to save time — I am a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer with 30 years experience so you can talk to me like a tech.
Samantha : That is really nice to know.
Samantha : Howard, if I understand the issue correctly, you are getting error 1012, when trying to run recovery on the New Hard Drive, am I correct?
Howard Sherman : Correct.
Howard Sherman : And it can’t be the firmware for the CD/DVD drive because I tried two different DVD drives and got the same error.
Samantha : Okay.
Samantha : Please let me know, from where did you get the new HDD?
Howard Sherman : Staples
Howard Sherman : It’s a Seagate Barracuda 1TB
Howard Sherman : it’s Sata-3
Howard Sherman : To make sure it wasn’t a compatibility issue I swapped it out with a barracuda 250GB Sata-1
Howard Sherman : Same exact problem
Samantha : In order to assist you in a better way, may I please have the product/system and serial number of your computer? This information will help me to pull up the relevant details needed for the issue.
You can locate the same on a white bar coded sticker on the side panel of the tower, back or bottom panel of the tower . Product/System number starts with P/N and Serial number starts with S/N.
Howard Sherman : Sure
Howard Sherman : The model # is actualy an M8530i
Howard Sherman : k1334aa-aba
Howard Sherman : cnx8341frg
Samantha : Thank you for all the information. I really appreciate your cooperation and help. Kindly confirm your e-mail address.
Howard Sherman : howard@royalgeeks.com
Howard Sherman : I am Howard – king of all geeks
Samantha : Thank you so much.
Samantha : Howard, which OS you were using on the old HDD?
Howard Sherman : Windows Vista Home Premium
Howard Sherman : I tried installing from a “plan vanilla” Windows Vista Home Premium DVD
Howard Sherman : The installer couldn’t see the hard drive
Howard Sherman : That’s when we ordered the official HP recovery kit which came with 3 discs.
Howard Sherman : Booting from disc 1 is when I get the error 1012
Howard Sherman : The HD is fine beause either the 1TB or the 250GB was seen in the BIOS
Samantha : Howard, let me inform you, if you change the HDD from outside HP, then the HP recovery disk will not work with that HDD, as all the parts in HP PC are tattooed together.
Samantha : So it will give you the error message.
Samantha : In this situation, if you install retail version of operating system on the PC, then you will not get the error message, and can use the HDD.
Howard Sherman : I didn’t know HP manufactures hard drives
Howard Sherman : I did use a retail version of Windows Vista Home Premium.
Howard Sherman : The Windows installer doesn’t see the hard drive!
Samantha : What is the model number of the hard drive?
Howard Sherman : I tried that last week. It’s only when that failed did we go ahead and order the system recovery kit
Howard Sherman : Checking
Samantha : Do you have any other CD/DVD drive with you?
Howard Sherman : First I tried a ST31005N1A1AS-RK
Howard Sherman : Then I tried a ST3250310AS – a 250GB hard drive
Howard Sherman : Ys
Howard Sherman : I tried an external USB DVD drive
Howard Sherman : No difference
Samantha : Okay.
Samantha : Howard, kindly confirm the model and the product number of the PC once again.
Howard Sherman : .
Howard Sherman : Sure
Howard Sherman : The model # is actualy an M8530i
Howard Sherman : k1334aa-aba
Howard Sherman : cnx8341frg
Samantha : Thank you.
Howard Sherman : Sure
Howard Sherman : At this point unless there’s some hidden secret to doing this I’m going to have to suggst the customer buy a new computer.
Samantha : Let me check few things.
Howard Sherman : OK
Samantha : Howard, in this situation, we can burn the firmware update for the CD/DVD drive on a disk and make a bootable disk, then run the update on the PC. Also burn the chipset driver and run it.
Samantha : Let me provide you the links.
Howard Sherman : Why would the firmware update be necessary when I tried booting from a second, completely different drive?
Samantha : Howard, first install the chipset driver on the PC, and then check.
Samantha : Let me provide you the link from the manufacturer site.
Howard Sherman : How can I install the chipset driver on the PC when the hard drive is blank?
Howard Sherman : And second of all – why should that even be necessary since I am using recovery discs provided by HP itself? Shouldn’t all the necessary drivers already be included on the discs you provide?
Samantha : Howard, as I have mentioned, the recovery disk will work properly only with the HP shipped hard drive. However we can try few things. We need to update the BIOS, then try to install the chipset driver, and also install the firmware update for the hard drive.
Howard Sherman : Can I order a hard drive from HP?
Howard Sherman : And if I get this order from HP and install then run the recovery disc it will work, right?
Samantha : Yes, I believe it should work, if you order the HDD from HP.
Howard Sherman : Saying “you believe it should work” doesn’t sound like a very confident answer.
Howard Sherman : Ok let’s go ahead and try updating the BIOS, etc.
Howard Sherman : Then again — the BIOS sees the hard drive just fine.
Samantha : Sure. Let me provide you the links.
Samantha : http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareCategory?os=2093&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&sw_lang=&product=3377257#N2363
Howard Sherman : I don’t see how updating the BIOS is going to help since the BIOS recognizes the drive just fine already
Samantha : Select BIOS from there and download then save the file.
Samantha : Let me provide you a link for the chipset.
Samantha : The link is:
Samantha : http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_vista_win7_32bit_15.49.html
Samantha : The above-mentioned Link will take you to a non-HP Web site. HP does not control and is not responsible for information outside of the HP Web site.
Howard Sherman : How in the world are Nforce drivers supposed to help here?
Samantha : This is the chipset driver along with the display driver.
Howard Sherman : At what point is the chipset driver introduced in the system recovery process?
Howard Sherman : According to the BIOS update it corrects a blue screen issue and a wake-from-hibernation. How will that correct the OS not recognizing the hard drive?
Samantha : The BIOS update can also resolve the other issues.
Samantha : Howard, the best thing would be, if you purchase the HDD from HP and then install the HP recovery disk on the PC.
Howard Sherman : Can you give me a link to where I can purchase that drive?
Samantha : If you wish to purchase the drive, then you can do it right now. 750GB Serial ATA (SATA) 3Gb/s hard drive – 7200 RPM will cost you: $323.95
Howard Sherman : And not to be difficult here but in looking a the BIOS upgrade the installation instructions call for it being installed from Vista logged in as administrator — which is not possible
Samantha : If you wish to purchase the drive, then my supervisor can call you right away and assist you to place the order.
Howard Sherman : Who makes the hard rive?
Howard Sherman : And why is it more than three times the price of a larger drive with the same speed I can purchase retail at Staples?
Samantha : You will get the same hard drive, which was shipped with the PC.
Howard Sherman : Hm.
Howard Sherman : Let me consult with the customer
Samantha : Howard, were you using Vista 64 bit on the old HDD?
Howard Sherman : No, 32 bit.
Samantha : Sure.
Samantha : Kindly check the model number of the PC once again. Is it m8530f or M8530i?
Howard Sherman : i
Howard Sherman : the sticker does say 64 bit
Howard Sherman : BTW — the drive installed in the PC is a Seagate Barracuda 750GB @ 7200RPM
Samantha : Exactly.
Howard Sherman : I installed barracudas also — bigger and smaller — no difference
Howard Sherman : Yet the drive you want to charge 325% more for — and is smaller — WILL work? Are you kidding me?
Samantha : As I have checked from the resources the PC had 750 GB SATA 3G (3.0 Gb/sec): 7200 rpm HDD, and the Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Media Center (64-bit) with Vista Service Pack 1 shipped with the PC.
Samantha : Would you like to purchase the drive?
Samantha : Then my supervisor can call you right away to place the order.
Howard Sherman : I booted from a Windows 7 64 bit DVD and it recognizes the drive fine.
Howard Sherman : No need for special drivers,chipsets, BIOS, etc.
Samantha : That is great!
Samantha : Howard, after installing the Windows 7 OS, you might need the drivers.
Howard Sherman : That will be the easy part.
Howard Sherman : You may wish to make a note in your documention
Howard Sherman : I’m off to the store to buy a copy of Windows 7.
Samantha : Is there anything else I may assist you with?
Howard Sherman : Uhm, no
Samantha : If you wish you can purchase the Windows 7 disk directly from HP.
Howard Sherman : No thanks we’re in a hurry
Samantha : Not a problem.
Howard Sherman : Plus I sure wouldn’t like to hear you charge 325% more for Windows install media too
Samantha : please keep your Activity ID for future reference.
Howard Sherman : You can count on it!
Howard Sherman : Bye now!
Samantha : Your Activity ID for this chat session is: 1244507.
Howard Sherman : Ok got i
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Samantha : Good bye and take care, Howard.
Don’t lose sight of the fact that throughout the chat transcript she could not (or would not) qualify the hbasis for her reasoning in installing a BIOS upgrade (that could not be performed), a firmware upgrade to the DVD drive (that also could not be carried out) and the Nforce driver installation (which also could not happen under the circumstances). What’s possibly worse is that Samantha did not respond to my questioning of the sky-high price of their hard drive which she said she BELIEVED SHOULD solve the problem.
Is Samantha a sentient being capable of interactive conversation or a parrot merely repeating the lines she was taught? I leave it to the reader to decide…
Apart from the ego boost I received solving (once again) a problem that NO ONE – not even HP itself – could solve I walked away with some stunning revelations:
Nobody should ever buy an HP computer unless and untill drastic change are made.
Here’s why in summary:
There are serious design flaws in HP computers. I can swap out a bad drive for a good one in any average PC inside of five minutes. A technical support menial lacking my superior skill and experience can do it in ten minutes. Properly swapping out the bad drive in the HP Media Center desktop PC proved impossible — or ludicrously difficult at best.
HP technical support is misguided and out of touch. And possibly dangerous. Review the chat transcript. They wanted to sell me a hard drive smaller than the one I installed — from the same family of Seagate hard drives — at 325% of the cost. Samatha said she BELIEVED it SHOULD work. What if the average computer user followed her advice and bought that drive for $324? What they couldn’t know is that it still wouldn’t work. If the HP computer owner took the other path and followed Samantha’s advice they would’ve wasted hours of their time running a series of fool’s errands — leading nowhere and achieving nothing.
My own instincts told me to try Windows 7. And it worked like a charm with none of the hoops HP advised me to jump through and with no need to purchase their criminally over-priced hard drive. What justifies that inflated price? Are those hard drives manufactured by magic elves and sprinkled with fairy dust?
I give two thumbs up to Windows 7 for coming through like a charm and I give HP the thumbs down for producing a poorly-designed PC then backing it with horrible technical support.
If ever you were pause at the price you are quoted by an IT professional for getting a job done this story should take away your doubts and reservations once and for all.
If ever you have doubts about any technical support task you face then drop me a line – I’ll see the job through to the end. Like I always do.